mrmopar622

Again nothing but lies from Jimmy Naylor. Everyone can look at the first & final invoice and see where he stated 1100+hp. Jimmy, you damn liar, anyone can look at the first invoice-which you yourself sent & final invoice and see that they are both original. Again by documentation I have proved you LIED.
Again he is talking about the Mopar parts, as I stated in an earlier post I bought everything from that scammer & liar. You can see the additional parts list. The Terminators only had to be bolted to the intake, as the vacuum pump and fuel pump...a 4500 series carb is just that, they bolt to 4500 series intakes, now I don't know where the hell he came up with Mopar carbs when they are nothing more than just simple carbs. Just more lies & excuses from Jimmy.
I called Naylor's when we found the engine was not oiling to the rocker arms and where the 2 intake gaskets they used instead of using a proper thickness gasket, one had slipped and water was leaking into the lifter galley. POOR WORKMANSHIP FROM NAYLOR'S.
I was sure he would not only want to know of the mistake made but would be happy to reimburse me for the additional work to correct their mistakes. He only asked what do you want me to do about it, I told him I thought he should pay for the repairs and he said I ain't paying for nothing.
As everyone can see I have been more than patient, I have provided all this information posted on here. He would not answer the phone & talk, or return any emails.
Is this the way a business is supposed to be run? You tell a man what you want built and you pay him his asking price and when you get it, it is not what you paid for. I would expect and think any honest businessman, when he delivered something to a customer and it was not right the first thing they would be interested in would be making it right.
As a matter of fact, another businessman who posted on an above post stated that if the product was not within the standards, the product did not leave their shop until it met the standard. Should that not be the way all businesses are run?
Am I missing something? Is Naylor offering to make his work right or anything? All I'm seeing from him is excuses and lie after lie.
Jimmy Naylor is doing nothing but running a scam and taking advantage of racers.

Jimmy Naylor - why don't you post a picture of your shop - inside & outside, show everyone what you have/don't have!! Have you even put up a sign yet?? You are a disgrace to all the honest engine builders & racers on this site because of you we can not trust anyone!

If all this info with documentation to back it up is not enough to deter people from doing business with Naylor(Pro Action Heads) Racing, before you send him a deposit(he will ask for half and will not refund it) go to his shop(if you can find it) and take a tour - you'll understand what I'm telling you.

This is all that really needs saying. Jimmy Naylor as you & everyone else can see the engine I paid you the money to build is not right.
ARE YOU GONNA STEP UP AND AT LEAST TRY TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT OR CONTINUE TO TELL LIES & MAKE EXCUSES?

shawnp

Sounds like Naylor did a lot of work at no cost? Is that correct?

Sounds like the original agreement was no hurry to have it done? Is that correct?

Was there a dyno session that was to be done at Naylor's?

mrmopar622

Your first question - go back and look at the invoice I posted, that was the price for a COMPLETE engine. Do you see any proof from Naylor where he did any free work?

Your second question - Do you really think any racer with money in hand during racing season would not want their engine done in a timely agreed upon time frame. I posted the invoices where you can see the promise 5-6 weeks max ended up being 14 weeks, til after 6 weeks completion time I did not pressure or question them in fact if was 8 weeks before I questioned them about the engine being finished. I have documentation.
Did you not read where after 12 weeks of calling & getting the run around I went up to Naylor Racing Engines shop & true to Tom & the mechanics word Jimmy was not there, he was not there very much of the time, this was said by his own employees.
Jimmy was supposed to call me Monday morning after waiting til about 3:00 pm I called & spoke with Jimmy, NOW MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS, I TOLD JIMMY THE ENGINE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AFTER 5-6 WEEKS & IT HAD NOW BEEN 12 WEEKS(3 MONTHS) TWICE AS LONG AS THE PROMISED COMPLETION DATE. HE SAID IT IS NOT IN WRITING ANYWHERE ON THE INVOICE HE HAD BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND HIS FATHER WAS A MILITARY LAWYER & HE KNEW HE COULD TAKE AS LONG AS HE WANTED & THERE WAS NOTHING ANYONE COULD DO.(PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEXT SENTENCE) AS I HAD SAID BEFORE I HAD ACCIDENTALLY TAPED THIS CONVERSATION THE NEXT MORNING I TOOK IT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AFTER LISTENING TO THE TAPE(WHICH THE POLICE DEPT. STILL HAS A COPY OF AS WELL AS I) HE SAID I COULD PRESS CHARGES AND HAVE HIM ARRESTED AND IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 6 MONTHS BEFORE HIS TRIAL AND IF HE RECEIVED JAIL TIME THERE WAS A GOOD CHANCE MY ENGINE WOULD STILL NOT BE COMPLETED OR HE COULD HAVE THE DETECTIVE CALL NAYLOR & IF THEY WERE NOT WILLING TO MEET A DELIVERY COMPLETION THEN PRESS CHARGES. THE DETECTIVE WENT BACK INTO HIS OFFICE SO THEIR CONVERSATION COULD BE TAPED & WHEN HE CAME BACK HE SAID NAYLOR PROMISED THEY WOULD HAVE THE ENGINE READY FOR PICK UP IN 2 WEEKS. I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS SURE HE SAID CALL THEM YOURSELF & SEE WHAT THEY TELL YOU I MADE THE CALL & SPOKE WITH TOM & HE TOLD ME THE ENGINE WOULD BE COMPLETE IN 2 WEEKS.
WHAT I HAVE SAID IS DOCUMENTED & WHAT JIMMY NAYLOR SAYS IS BS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE HE HAS SAID.
DOES THIS NOT CLEAR UP THE DELIVERY TIME - IT WAS AGREED UPON IN THE VERY BEGINNING FOR A 5-6 WEEK MAX TURN AROUND IN OTHER WORDS HELL NO NOT AT NO TIME NOT EVER DID I TELL JIMMY NAYLOR OR ANYONE OF HIS EMPLOYEES I WAS NOT IN ANY RUSH, TO TAKE THEIR TIME, JUST THE OPPOSITE!!

As for the third question - go back & re-read the posts, that will answer your question.

As you can see on my last post, I asked Jimmy Naylor to cease all the BS, lies & excuses and step up & make things right.

Shouldn't that be the next question? Why are there no answers coming from Jimmy Naylor?

shawnp

I can't see your invoices here at work due to the site that they are hosted on. All I see are red X's.

I am asking a few simple questions, I don't need the rant. Everyone is pretty clear about the invoice you mention in every post that turns out to be a short novel. Can you just answer the questions without explanaitions? Better yet, take time to read your own posts. People have been trying to help you out but all you want to do is answer questions with rants and bitch to them instead of giving clear, simple answers. Step back, stop the rants and the finger pointing in every damn post and give clear, simple answers to questions people have asked.

mrmopar622

I appreciate any & all help I thought I was not only answering your questions but providing the proof to back it up.

Sorry I did not get it right the 1st time, will try again:

Question 1 - NO
Question 2 - NO
Question 3 - YES

Hope this is more to your satisfaction. Thanks

shawnp

Now that is pretty simple facts.

Can Naylor show that he did additional work that the customer was not charged for? Can they show that there was not a time period in which the motor was to be completed by? Can they explain why the dyno session was not completed?


Has all the necessary work been done to repair what was wrong when your dyno guy tore it down? Did you take pics of the problems?

Scooterz

Shawn is right. Your upset. Worse, you believe that you have been taken advantage of & your patience is running thin. Take a moment to look at this situation from the forum users who are following the 3+ pages of detailed events & info.

That said: I waited a long time before I posted for a reason. I have seen your invoices, correspondence/documentation, etc... & watched Naylor/proactions responses. I am not real impressed. It is buisness... just saying that "he would bitch if we gave it to him for free" is not addressing the issue.

What are the issues??? Corrections to fix/agreement???? If they are saying Billy is SOL...??? be a man & say we are standing behind everything & we are done.

Bring everyone back to the main issues, here is what I see... I could have missed a few things... I am not sure.

1. Int. gasket leaked; rocker/lube not correct & water leaking. True/false? Should this be corrected/compensated?

2. Stated/agreed build to be "1100" or "1050" what is it??... motor made 947HP on dyno. True/false?
Should this be corrected/compensated?

3. Motor took double+ the agreed time to make. (even though this is common with race motors)... what is fair??? Here is what was said about that: "JUST BITCHED AND HAD EVER ONE IN THE SHOP NOT WANTING TO WORK ON HIS ENGINE!!!"

4. HERE IS MY QUESTION: If a guy gets a "great deal" or any "free work" does that mean that he should wait double the time, be responsible for workmanship errors, or tolerate less performance???? If so, I WOULD RATHER PAY THE EXTRA 3 GRAND!!!!!! Jeeez... it is a race engine... there are some serious expectations... we are passionate about our rides.

mrmopar622

YES gaskets & labor $348.76 have receipt

No I did not think about taking pictures.

mrmopar622

1. True corrected cost was $348.76 I think I should be reimbursed.

2. The agreed build was for 1100+hp on June 28, 2012; TRUE on the dyno the engine made 947 hp have dyno sheets posted; I think I should be compensated for the lack of 153 hp or the necessary work done to engine to bring it to the agreed 1100+hp

3. BITCHED - NO - asked in a professional manor when engine would be finished.

4. NO FREE WORK

Now I think it is Jimmy's turn to reply.

TheRabbit

Not to get away from Scotter's questions, but here on my thoughts.
First it was a bad mistake taking the engine without being dynoed. I've had it takes 6 months to build a motor that was suppose to be 10-12 weeks tops. Yea, it's crappy, but it happens all the time buy builders.

The minute you take it away it's yours "as is". It's a racing motor no way would I warranty it either. IF it had been started at builders shop I'm sure he would have fixed it and or any other issues.
As for the dyno results. I've seen first pulls 150+hp less than final tune. I've seen different hp results with same motor on different dynos on the same day so I don't put much into the dyno results in this case.
I would have made it clear up front that my motor be run on the dyno!! A new build should always be run if for nothing else to get a base tune and make sure there are no problems. I'v seen all kinds of stuff go wrong on the dyno including burnt pushrods, broken lifters, etc.

By looking at parts used ( heads, wet sump, etc) I seriously doubt that combination could make 1,100hp. If so It would be a MAX effort build, This was not. I would have questioned that in the beginning.

If I were the builder I seriously doubt I would pay for repairs that another shop did such as the intake gasket. IF I HAD NO DOUBT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM is the only way I would consider it. Again dyno at his shop would have found this.


It's my personal experience that you get more out of people by being patient with them. Even when I get pissed I wait until I have my motor before I vent on them. Nothing wrong with pushing a little, but to much and this is what you end up with.

Here we sit with a customer that feels he got shorted and mislead on a motor and the builder already feels that he has gone above and beyond what customer paid for and agreed too.

I really can't say unless I was there and heard the conversation or was able to sit with both and discuss it with them.

I would have NEVER taken it before it was dynoed!!

That's my personal feelings and doesn't mean a hill of beans so don't take it personal.


** I don't dyno my current motor every time we freshen it, but I have been with my builder for a long time. He travels with me and is one of my sponsors. He has a lot of interest and involvement in my truck***