Yep i just found it also, the comp cams page shows all the lifter sizes and i'm now starting to think these are comp lifters with a bad set of tie bars, they are .100 shorter when spread out than any other set of sm/blk lifters i have in the shop (out of 5 sets) Go figure i guess i'm just unlucky, the good thing is i can buy the tie bars seperately and they are removable.
Thanks for you time Chuck
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