David i thought it would run at least in the low 6's, but 2 runs on sunday it ran 6.687 and 6.688 @ 103.69 & 103.93! i thought in the 1/4 a low 9 but this is not going to happen i'll be lucky with a low 10. i'am going to look at the bottom end to make sure it is not hurt. thanks for your input Doug