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jreiley 08-14-2010 04:34 AM

Valve Lash and Cam Timing
 
How does the valve lash effect the cam's valve timing? For example, i bought a engine with a Lunati solid lifter cam. The valve lash for both intake and exhause is.030. What does this do for the engine?

bowhay 08-14-2010 07:02 AM

looser valve lash will give u more top end, tighter will give u more torque of the bottom

markdunlap 08-14-2010 08:54 AM

valve timing
 
Are you sure about that? Loosening the valve lash makes the cam seem smaller, which helps bottom end performance. Tightening makes rthe cam seem larger, which helps the top end. That has been my experience.

If you play with lash up to .004 looser and tighter, you may find minor improvement. It will also tell you if cam you have is too large or small if it wants lash set different than factory setting. I set lash .006" tighter cold than hot specs for BBC with aluminum heads and iron block.

TopspeedLowet 08-14-2010 08:55 AM

Wrong
 

Originally Posted by bowhay
looser valve lash will give u more top end, tighter will give u more torque of the bottom

This advice given above is exactly wrong. More lash gives less duration and tighter gives more duration. More duration will enhance the top end and likely remove some from the bottom end. You must respect the manufactures intended valve lash and not deviate more than .010" either way, too louse a setting will hammer the lifter off the lobe causing damage.
Bruce

Tod74 08-14-2010 03:50 PM

Re: Wrong
 

Originally Posted by TopspeedLowet

Originally Posted by bowhay
looser valve lash will give u more top end, tighter will give u more torque of the bottom

This advice given above is exactly wrong. More lash gives less duration and tighter gives more duration. More duration will enhance the top end and likely remove some from the bottom end. You must respect the manufactures intended valve lash and not deviate more than .010" either way, too louse a setting will hammer the lifter off the lobe causing damage.
Bruce


X2....I know first hand about the roller damage. I used to think they would tighten up when HOT...of course this is 100% wrong but back then I didn't know...I set them cold just a little loose thinking they would be just right when hot....it's the opposite.I busted a roller lifter(and a block) after 20 something passes. live and learn.

suicidebomb 08-14-2010 10:43 PM

Would anyone care to elaborate, on the "correct" way to adjust valve lash? :twisted:

I'll get the popcorn, and drinks. :)

Tod74 08-14-2010 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by suicidebomb
Would anyone care to elaborate, on the "correct" way to adjust valve lash? :twisted:

I'll get the popcorn, and drinks. :)

:lol: I remember that...

fla1976 08-15-2010 03:38 AM

This is how I adjust valves. The website has excellent info on valve adjustments but there is too much info to list here.

http://www.centuryperformance.com/ad...h-spg-149.html



Valve Adjustment Procedure - The Quick and Accurate Way:
First, view this little chart below for Small and Big Block Chevy Engines that I made and see if you can understand it. There is more of an explanation below the chart. For other engines you will use the firing order that matches your engine to create a similar chart. This chart is based upon "opposite" cylinders of your firing order. (see below)
Intake Valve Adjustment: ENGINE OFF!
■with #1 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #6 Intake Valve
■with #8 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #5 Intake Valve
■with #4 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #7 Intake Valve
■with #3 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #2 Intake Valve
■with #6 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #1 Intake Valve
■with #5 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #8 Intake Valve
■with #7 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #4 Intake Valve
■with #2 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #3 Intake Valve
Exhaust Valve Adjustment: ENGINE OFF!
You will notice that this is the same procedure and sequence as the intake valves listed above. Only now you are adjusting ONLY the exhaust valves the same way.
■with #1 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #6 Exhaust Valve
■with #8 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #5 Exhaust Valve
■with #4 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #7 Exhaust Valve
■with #3 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #2 Exhaust Valve
■with #6 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #1 Exhaust Valve
■with #5 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #8 Exhaust Valve
■with #7 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #4 Exhaust Valve
■with #2 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #3 Exhaust Valve

demented 08-15-2010 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by fla1976
This is how I adjust valves. The website has excellent info on valve adjustments but there is too much info to list here.

http://www.centuryperformance.com/ad...h-spg-149.html



Valve Adjustment Procedure - The Quick and Accurate Way:
First, view this little chart below for Small and Big Block Chevy Engines that I made and see if you can understand it. There is more of an explanation below the chart. For other engines you will use the firing order that matches your engine to create a similar chart. This chart is based upon "opposite" cylinders of your firing order. (see below)
Intake Valve Adjustment: ENGINE OFF!
■with #1 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #6 Intake Valve
■with #8 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #5 Intake Valve
■with #4 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #7 Intake Valve
■with #3 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #2 Intake Valve
■with #6 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #1 Intake Valve
■with #5 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #8 Intake Valve
■with #7 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #4 Intake Valve
■with #2 cylinder Intake Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #3 Intake Valve
Exhaust Valve Adjustment: ENGINE OFF!
You will notice that this is the same procedure and sequence as the intake valves listed above. Only now you are adjusting ONLY the exhaust valves the same way.
■with #1 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #6 Exhaust Valve
■with #8 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #5 Exhaust Valve
■with #4 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #7 Exhaust Valve
■with #3 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #2 Exhaust Valve
■with #6 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #1 Exhaust Valve
■with #5 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #8 Exhaust Valve
■with #7 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #4 Exhaust Valve
■with #2 cylinder Exhaust Valve at full valve lift .... Adjust #3 Exhaust Valve

Yes but this info needs to be adjusted for altered cams, 4-7 swap cams or 4-7-,2-3 swap cams.

The easiest way I have been taught to adjust valves is from reher morrison. If you take one cylinder at a time, when the exhaust valve begins to open you adjust the intake valve, Rotate the motor and when the intake valve begins to close adjust the exhaust valve.
I also found that when I set the lash cold i need to go back around once the motor warms up and adjust them again because it changes significantly. I always check them now when the motor is hot.

et7333 08-15-2010 08:40 AM

when the intake valve begins to close



Its when the intake is ALMOST closed adjust the exhaust valve on that particular cylinder.


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