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smokinsmallblock 01-19-2011 02:29 PM

rpm not changing
 
i have put 3 sets of gears in my truck 4.86 5.14 an 5.43 the rpm is the same wit all 3 when i go through the trap 6700rpm.

TopspeedLowet 01-19-2011 02:36 PM

Do you happen to use a RPM chip in your ignition? near 6700rpm.
Are your valve springs regulating your top rpm?
Bruce

BEAST477 01-19-2011 05:09 PM

Give some more detailed specs on your truck.

superstreeter 01-19-2011 05:28 PM

Part of that could all be in the convertor.....

smokinsmallblock 01-19-2011 05:36 PM

yes 1 have a 7200 chip in it. its a 434 dart pro 1 heads it runs 590's all day, have a 670 645 cam in it. shift it at 6700rpm. 6000 coverter. car weight is 2450 wit a power glide

JEFF69Z28 01-20-2011 03:24 AM

TO MUCH CONVERTER?

curtisreed 01-20-2011 03:46 AM

I don't think the converter is really out of line. With a 434 small block it needs a lot of cylinder head though. Could it be out of flow limiting rpm? Couple of questions though. How are you getting the rpm reading, data recorder? Did your MPH change?

Curtis

smokinsmallblock 01-20-2011 04:12 AM

i sent my heads to steve schmitz. got the open up. i went from 6.20's to 5.90's. yes the mph did change wit the 5.43 only went 6.00's wit them but the same rpm. only 109mph. avg. mhp is 113

smokinsmallblock 01-20-2011 04:15 AM

i get my rpm data from my play back tach

TopspeedLowet 01-20-2011 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
i get my rpm data from my play back tach



you have a ignition problem limiting your rpm or something in that area. Change that chip to another one you have like the 8000 rpm one that came with your ignition. If you can not get past 6700 rpm in first gear either............. STOP and THINK for a minuet, then look again at the ignition.
Bruce

hammertime 01-20-2011 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
yes 1 have a 7200 chip in it. its a 434 dart pro 1 heads it runs 590's all day, have a 670 645 cam in it. shift it at 6700rpm. 6000 coverter. car weight is 2450 wit a power glide

. What is your stall that you checked, at the launch, after the shift fallback and if you've checked in the garage what is it ?

What high side chip do you run ?

TopspeedLowet 01-20-2011 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by hammertime

Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
yes 1 have a 7200 chip in it. its a 434 dart pro 1 heads it runs 590's all day, have a 670 645 cam in it. shift it at 6700rpm. 6000 coverter. car weight is 2450 wit a power glide

6000 converter, is this something you checked or thats what they told you it would be ?

If you changed the gear and seen no change, it all leads to the converter. What is your stall that you checked, at the launch, after the shift fallback and if you've checked in the garage what is it ?



How in the heck can a loose or tight converter possibly limit the top rpm?
The speed is diminishing with gear changes and the rpm the same?
Bruce

smokinsmallblock 01-20-2011 08:00 AM

yes it can go past 6700rpm in first gear. i shift around that area, steve said i need to shift around 7000rpm but it slows up. if i take my trans break chip out and go on the converter it goes to 5900rpm. my shift lite comes on bout half track wit the 3 gears. heres my number mabe i can explain a little better 5404551035

fast75vega 01-20-2011 06:16 PM

could you be running out of fuel on the top end..... which could be limiting your rpm........ :wink: thats alot of gear changes for it not to change ur rpm though the traps

hammertime 01-20-2011 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by TopspeedLowet

Originally Posted by hammertime

Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
yes 1 have a 7200 chip in it. its a 434 dart pro 1 heads it runs 590's all day, have a 670 645 cam in it. shift it at 6700rpm. 6000 coverter. car weight is 2450 wit a power glide

6000 converter, is this something you checked or thats what they told you it would be ?

If you changed the gear and seen no change, it all leads to the converter. What is your stall that you checked, at the launch, after the shift fallback and if you've checked in the garage what is it ?



How in the heck can a loose or tight converter possibly limit the top rpm?
The speed is diminishing with gear changes and the rpm the same?
Bruce

Simple, If your already driving through the converter you wont see any rpm change with a gear change.

TopspeedLowet 01-21-2011 03:15 AM

There is a Wood chuck in the wood pile here
 
If he were driving thru the converter with a given gear, then his MPH would not have diminished with higher numerical ratios and his rpm would have to increase at the finish line and through out the pass,.......... unless the car was not moving and you were doing a stall test.
I got a feeling that we do not have all the information we need to accurately diagnose this persons car set up problems or problem.

I would suggest that this guy talk this over with Steve Schmidt further and see if something else in the engine combination is relenting or unhappy with the new port job?
Best of luck solving you issue
Bruce

itsabird 01-21-2011 05:23 AM

Just out of curiosity, what size tire or you running?

smokinsmallblock 01-21-2011 03:50 PM

tire size is 14 32. ok let me ask yall this question. i ran 5.92 at 6700rpm wit the 514 in the 1/8th, in the 1/4 mile i ran a 9.54 at about 7300rpm. do that add up?

maxpower671 01-21-2011 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
tire size is 14 32. ok let me ask yall this question. i ran 5.92 at 6700rpm wit the 514 in the 1/8th, in the 1/4 mile i ran a 9.54 at about 7300rpm. do that add up?

NO. you should be at least .20 seconds quicker...???

itsabird 01-21-2011 04:52 PM

I am starting to think along the same line as fastvega, fuel problem, a little lean, did you retune your carb after the port work, and what was the 1/4 mph on that pass?

fast75vega 01-22-2011 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by itsabird
I am starting to think along the same line as fastvega, fuel problem, a little lean, did you retune your carb after the port work, and what was the 1/4 mph on that pass?

i thinking either not enough air(dirty air filter) which is making it run rich or its starving for fuel on the top end... :) i've had both happen to me and it sounds the same :wink:

smokinsmallblock 01-24-2011 04:49 AM

i have a 1050 carb. on it. 92 jet square. plugs stay black. sometimes i run wit no hood on so i think its gettin enough air

fast75vega 01-24-2011 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
i have a 1050 carb. on it. 92 jet square. plugs stay black. sometimes i run wit no hood on so i think its gettin enough air

if the plugs are staying black..... def sounds like ur running rich then :wink:

either too much fuel or not enough air.......try running it with out the air cleaner for a pass or two and see what it does :wink:

smokinsmallblock 01-24-2011 05:27 AM

i dont have an air cleaner on it at all. i have jetted it down to 90's but no change

itsabird 01-24-2011 08:09 AM

Sorry just getting back, cable has been down. it could be rich at idle and the main circuit still lean. what size idle air bleeds, also high speed bleeds, is it a 3 or 2 curcuit carb?

smokinsmallblock 01-26-2011 05:07 AM

i dont know the answer to the carb question, but i have took the 1050carb off an put a 950 carb on it and it response alot better an sounds crisper. but the 60ft an et stay the same with both carbs

shawnp 01-26-2011 05:27 AM

What ignition box are you running? I had this happen with a brand new, out of the box 7al3 from MSD.

smokinsmallblock 01-26-2011 05:29 AM

i have an 6al

fast75vega 01-26-2011 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
i dont know the answer to the carb question, but i have took the 1050carb off an put a 950 carb on it and it response alot better an sounds crisper. but the 60ft an et stay the same with both carbs

i would figure that your 60' would be.... but did you notice a diff. on the big end :?

shawnp 01-26-2011 07:35 AM

So this has been a combo that has been together and worked fine with no previous problems? If so, what have you changed besides the gear?

SABOT7 01-26-2011 10:57 AM

Someone posted ealirer that your 1/8th time should be .2 faster. I have always used the 1/4 time divided by 1.59 and got really close. For instance, your 9.54 divided by 1.59 comes out to 6 flat for the 1/8th. Not exact but pretty close. Anyway, when you change the gears, does the 6700 happen sooner on the track the previous higher (lower numerical) gears? Something else to check also if you are using an autometer tach with the adjustable shift light dial, is that it is working correctly. I had a similar issure using the adjustable shift light and some how it was overriding the shift pill in my two step. Last things I would check is valve spring seat and open pressure and also make sure that the timing and floats are set correctly.

smokinsmallblock 01-26-2011 06:59 PM

the combo has been together for 2 yrs. my problem came when i tried differant gears, thats when i found out sumthing wrong

shawnp 01-27-2011 05:32 AM

I would be looking at possibly 2 things if you have tried jetting, timing and settng the car back up to the original working combo. I would swap out ignition boxes and I would swap out MSD RPM modules (2-step or shift box). You may have a bad MSD chip. Sounds more in some of the electronics vs the motor.

smokinsmallblock 02-01-2011 05:18 AM

another thing i for got to add i run 112 racing fuel is that enough?

fast75vega 02-01-2011 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by smokinsmallblock
another thing i for got to add i run 112 racing fuel is that enough?

thats all i run :wink: but cause my brother in law is twisting my arm and the price of gas is suppose to go though the roof.... i might be switching to alky soon :)


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