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vegabond 05-12-2009 03:23 AM

titanium vs. stainless
 
What is the advantage of titanium over a stainless valve? My motor is 377 sbc with 18* gm heads. It needs freshened and i dont know if i want to spend the money for new tit. valves,it's just a bracket motor. what would i lose E.T. wise? Horsepower wise?

TS1955 05-12-2009 03:30 AM

I'm not an expert on this, but I've been told if you are not going to run your engine over 7000 rpms don't waste your money on titanium. I do know they make your valve springs live longer.

TS1955

vegabond 05-12-2009 03:43 AM

I do spin it preety high about 8,000 to 8,200 thur the lights.

TS1955 05-12-2009 03:49 AM

If the funds are there, then you probably should consider titanium. JMO

TS1955

bryanm 05-12-2009 06:40 AM

I have also heard of guys running hollw stemmed stainless valves as a replacement for titanium to help keep the weight down. I think I am going to try them on my new motor.

tcarda 05-12-2009 06:54 AM

From what I understand it is a weight issue on high rpm engines. On my BBC I have titanium 2.400 intakes and stainless 1.84 exhaust and the stainless exhaust valve is heavier than the titanium intake valve. I also run mine between 8000-8200 rpm.

CamBirdRacing 05-12-2009 09:11 AM

Why turn your bracket motor that high anyway?

oldandtired 05-12-2009 11:28 AM

Weight combined with strength. It's another level you can buy into.

Of course I will mention the obvious - run smaller stem (titanium) valves, with titanium retainers, a rev kit and smaller OD pushrods.

This is the diet package for dependibility and high RPM's.

Dave

Tod74 05-12-2009 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by oldandtired
Weight combined with strength. It's another level you can buy into.

Of course I will mention the obvious - run smaller stem (titanium) valves, with titanium retainers, a rev kit and smaller OD pushrods.

This is the diet package for dependibility and high RPM's.

Dave

I respectfully disagree about the pushrods.
I don't care if I give up some weight... big pushrods help more than they could hurt...and the weight of the pushrod isn't really a factor since it isn't controlled by the spring...not directly.

curtisreed 05-12-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Tod74

Originally Posted by oldandtired
Weight combined with strength. It's another level you can buy into.

Of course I will mention the obvious - run smaller stem (titanium) valves, with titanium retainers, a rev kit and smaller OD pushrods.

This is the diet package for dependibility and high RPM's.

Dave

I respectfully disagree about the pushrods.
I don't care if I give up some weight... big pushrods help more than they could hurt...and the weight of the pushrod isn't really a factor since it isn't controlled by the spring...not directly.

X2 with Tod. Sometimes there is good weight.

Curtis

jmarksdragster 05-12-2009 03:57 PM

One thing to consider is the seat material. Stainless will beat up they copper seats in short order, especially at your RPM. As far as the pushrods, the biggest that will fit is the best. Not an area to be concerned about weight.

vegabond 05-12-2009 04:49 PM

I twist my motor that high because it's an old cup motor (4.165 X 3.260) doesn't make any power till 6500. Good point on the seats Mark. Thanks for the reply Guy's.

cepx111 05-12-2009 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by vegabond
I twist my motor that high because it's an old cup motor (4.165 X 3.260) doesn't make any power till 6500. Good point on the seats Mark. Thanks for the reply Guy's.

Ever consider changing the cam?

oldandtired 05-13-2009 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by doorracer

Originally Posted by Tod74

Originally Posted by oldandtired
Weight combined with strength. It's another level you can buy into.

Of course I will mention the obvious - run smaller stem (titanium) valves, with titanium retainers, a rev kit and smaller OD pushrods.

This is the diet package for dependibility and high RPM's.

Dave

I respectfully disagree about the pushrods.
I don't care if I give up some weight... big pushrods help more than they could hurt...and the weight of the pushrod isn't really a factor since it isn't controlled by the spring...not directly.

X2 with Tod. Sometimes there is good weight.

Curtis

Hey, no offence taken, I enjoy the conversations.
I perfer to leave the big old 7/16 pushrods on the bench and get Manton 3/8 x .083 wall. Even with upper end restricters, the oil will become moving weight. But then I'm not running 1"+ lift, 1,000 open pressure springs and 10,000rpm!
Dave

wmeabates 05-13-2009 03:26 PM

I have an 18 deg sbc with a 3.800 stroke and it likes 8000 rpm a lot,a 3.260 stroke 18 deg I think titanium in&ex would be a good thing.About pushrods,the more ratio the rocker arm has the harder it is for the pushrod to open the valve,and the easier it is for the spring to return it.So when going to higher rocker arms stronger pushrods is something to think about,lower ratio might like lighter ones.Bill.

TheRabbit 05-13-2009 05:22 PM

On the bigger valves you really need the light weight of the Ti. The heavy stainless valves will actually bounce off the seat when you get around the 7,200+ mark. Lightweight valves also take a lot of stress off the valve springs. At least use Ti intake valves. It is $ well spent.

cepx111 05-13-2009 09:43 PM

I agree, big valves need to be light, On my bbc merlin heads I have 2.30 Titanium intake side and stainless on EX.

TheRabbit 05-14-2009 04:27 PM

I have a set of used 2.35 Ti I would consider selling.


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