DITTO !!...LMAO

Oh WHILE YOUR ON THE SBC CI..i just heard that Sonny's is Coming out with small block 500 ci or a little over..i will get the info on it and pass ..i heard this ....and thought for a minute..but realized this was probably the case NOWADAYS....


Brian

With all the hype about small vs big inch mtr. I dialed up Self racing last thursday about their Brodix clone 18 degree heads that have an advertised flow of 420CFM (brodixs flow #'s are 383(CFM) both being fully CNC ported. Self racing sells their heads ready to race with .750 lift roller spings for $3500.00 and a matching manifold for $1000.00. The reason i called them was to get a comparison between my brodix 10rp's which flow 314CFM at .700. i was told that it would be 75 and 125 HP difference. that's a lot of improvment over 23 degree heads. I'm thinking maybe with my current setup (434") it will have close to 750HP on alcohol. If i had the money i would make the switch even having to replace the pistons and rebalance. That's a lot of gain when you consider what it cost to get the HP above 700 in in a s/blk and you wouldn't have to spin it above 7500 RPM.

Zip.

In my experience, small blocks are best for decent power while salvaging some fuel mileage. Or even some big power if you are willing to deal with the expense and maintenance associated with a 7500+ RPM motor. As for all out power, you simply cannot beat a big block. In my opinion, in a street strip weekend car, an oval port 496 is just too easy and cheap to spend the extra time and money trying to make the same power with a small block.

Adam

OK so Big block or Small block, I think we can all agree that Chevy engines rule the strip and the streets. :P

Misread the first time sorry, I agree. :wink:

ohhhh my goodness !!!!...what happened to the vote !!...looks like the BIG blocks shifted into high gear....BIG blocks rule Street and Strip......sorry but my mommy said never TELL A LIE !!...lol

Brian

big blocks are overrated.
you can tell real mechanics by the big block numbers they get out of a small block.

o.k...what just happened?...you moved it and small blocks are falling behind...hmmmm....very suspitious.....time to make some more calls!,i mean, come on people vote Sbc :D

Hey tommy..its nothing but a CHICKEN WANG..as they say in the south...BBC is the $hit......i will put all my $$$$ on the BBC boys.....

Brian

do you mean getting 500ci numbers and calling it a small block ?..i have to agree it takes a good person to get those numbers (ci) out of a small block....lol..... :D :D

I think a sb is a sb, even if you get close to 500 cubes out of it ! its in a small lite weight package !!!!! you cant go any bigger really , its a sbc AND THEY ARE THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAY NOT WIN ALL THE TIME BUT I LOVE EM !!!! David. alum LITE WEIGHT SBC's forever! ive never considered anything else. WORLD PRODUCTS AND RODECKs FOREVER!!!!!! sorry I get excited

I love it !!!....pLus your fixing to be a CAROLINA BOY SOON...there is hope for you yet in converting to BBC....LOL :D :D :wink: :wink: :roll:

Brian

Wow did The big blocks get some votes in there...Ok would it be fair to close voting now? Look tommy..you blinked and were passed.

if your shotting for over 500 hp or ever plan on having over 500 then go big block i made that mistake and cus myself everday if i only put 250 ontop of what i'm invested now i'd have a 600+ hp bigblock but instead i'm running a 500-550 hp small block.

With the new Dart 4.5 bore spacing small block its easy to get over 550 cu.in,all it takes is $$$$$$$$$ Bill

Big Blocks are great, no doubt about it....what is even greater is driving around a BB car and putting him on the trailer and watching him go home after getting spanked by a lil ole SB :P :P :P

Bill, what happens to the size of the block at 550? I went to darts site and here is the race block specs...you can get 455 with this. Do you use the aluminum block to get 500 or is this a totally new block? Must be...HOw big is the bore on these new blokcs? I can see some advantages to this, lighter, power to weight etc. Anyway disavantages with the newer blocks?

BBC have to go to these much taller decks to get it, 11.1 deck...any new blocks for the BBC coming out to keep up with the "small motor"

Little M
Cast Iron
9.025"
4.00" 4.125"
350, 400
Standard SBC Bore & Location
Nodular Iron or Steel 4 - Bolt
Standard SBC

Iron Eagle
Cast Iron
9.025" 9.325"
4.00" 4.125"
350, 400
Raised 0.391" Std SBC or BBC Bore
Steel 4 - Bolt
Spread Rails

Race Series
355 - T6 Aluminum
9.025", 9.325" 9.500"
4.00" 4.125"
350, 400
Raised 0.391" BBC Bore
Steel 4 - Bolt
Spread Rails

However big you can make a small block, you can always make a big block way bigger using similar after market blocks. Plus, the big problem is not simply the size with the small block, it is more the fact that big block heads flow so much more air. I think the highest flowing small block heads are the Dart little Chief heads or SB 2.2 at around 450cfm (or around 330 cfm for a SBC conventional head and a stock oval port BBC head flows that with a little porting and big valves). A conventional after market ported big block head is capable of flowing almost that. If you get into exotic BBC heads, you are looking at ~600 cfm. For what it would cost to build a little chief headed 550cid motor, you could probably build a 600+ cid big block with big chief heads and probably make another 100-200 hp. Along with being more powerful the big block would most likely also be stronger due to the shear size difference of the parts.

Here is what you can expect between with a conventional Headed big block and a conventional small block in a racing application:

Big block:
http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman/582_965.asp

Small block:
http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman/434_685.asp


Here is a big chief combo:
http://www.eatonenterprises.com/632b...inepackage.htm


Here is what is capable with a big block and a dart big M block and pro stock heads.
http://www.sonnysracingengines.com/p...632-1320hp.htm

Or if you want to really go all out, this
http://www.sonnysracingengines.com/p...es/811hemi.htm

Sure, you are talking $75,000 but you simply cannot make this power with an N/A small block regardless of the money.

The most I have heard out of an N/A small block in any configuration is ~1100 hp

Here is a good comparison between the best of both that the small block and big block worlds have to offer as far as heads go.

Little chief heads
http://www.mbellc.com/files/Flow%20%20Lit%20Chief.pdf

Pro stock heads
http://www.sonnysracingengines.com/p...al5inDrag.html


Adam

Man I just found my glasses and it looks just as good with or without them. Good going BIG BLOCKS.

yes it looks like i am staring thru a telescope..BIG LEAD for the Big Blocks....WHAT CHA MR WOODSMAN. by the way have you got your wife to vote yet ?

Brian

Hey not fair, she can't vote, same ISP. I know how to vote more because i'm a computer hack, but i'm too honest to change an honest vote. I would have hoped that s/blk would win but the true message here is that b/blks are easier to build and make more HP for the $. I don't feel bad that b/blks are and will win. But i would love to see you b/blk fans when a s/blk motor puts you on the trailer and it does sometimes happen.

Zip.

I would just like to thank those that moved this to the tech side of the forum.

i demand a re-count! :D im from florida and this is common practice,so please clear the votes and let me look them over and ill set them in place proper :)

No hanging chads! Just the facts....LOL
Greg 8)

yeah i know all about those wifes having ESP...mine does it all the time to me.....i hear ya ZIP..

Brian

I can't remember the last time I heard "Man, I always wanted a small block and now that I got it, I ain't goin back!"
Big block man :P

Tommy should be usta not havin a hanging chad.... :shock:

Brian, Yes she voted like a good girl BIG BLOCK all the way. O by the way she said that she wants one now.

Zip, I am sorry but its fair because she voted under her name here in the U.S.A. an I voted under my name while I was in Africa at work. HONESTLY BIG BLOCKS DON'T HAVE TO CHEAT. :D :wink: :lol:

truthfully not sure what that meant so didnt know what to say..re-count is all i know,this has turned into duck hunting...

OK I got both. Little and a bigggg one. I love small blocks but when I want the small block to run fast, I put someone else in it and I push it with the Big Block car. Ye haw. Damn I love this crap.
racear

L-M-A-O........ :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Bjuice
I like you cimment on skinning a cat. If I want to skin a moving cat, I hit him with A PILLAR and rename it to cat----ar. Damn I'm on a roll. Hope the old lady don't make me sign off.
racear2865

You are from FL. and don't know what a hanging chad is? :?:

I am not eligible to vote.

I am a Big Block Chevy Freak. I build more Small Block Chevys.

I guess I do still build more Big Block Chevys than anthing else though. Fords, Mopars, Pontiacs, Olds, and little stuff both foreign and domestic all comes through here at one time or another though.

Not that any of the others matter in this poll.

Ed

HeHe, you need to look up :shock: there's a chain on that s/blk car in the front :o it's probably pulling the b/blk along. :lol:

Zip.

Zip
Know that can't be, small block can't even pull a chain unless it is a string or lighter. I bet it is a rubber band... He Haw. Lady of house made me sign off last night. Said I was having too much fun and then she voted small block. Ain't that just like a woman
racear

bjuice
screwed up. tried to skin the moving cat when I hit him with A PILLAR. Thought I would get a CAT A PILLAR. All I got was a dead p---y. Now THE WOMAN want speak too me. Said was cruelty to animals. I told her that can't be, I had not been cruel to her. So now she made me sign off again
racear

Well watch what you say..before she gets some more small block votes.

1 thing is for sure, even though this was an any make/model question, it seems that the only engines that matter are Chevy all the way.

u ain't right man...LMAO..... :D :D :D :D :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink: :wink: