Looks like the TIN MAN on CRACK from the WIZARD OF OZ !!.

Ok hammertime what is that beast.

from what i can tell its a BBC twin turbo,intercooled,kinsler injected blow thru motor..
i just wonder if they can get it to run crisp..that is some very tricky,hyper sensative stuff that have hooked up ...

whats the CI hammer ?....

Brian I am just going to trust you on that one. Thats just to much stuff going on for me but it sure looks wild.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1

Nuff said 8) :P 8)

Brian you are right on its 497ci and big cheif heads also.
Built for a boat but just sold to go into a drag car ... should be a wild ride !!

I think I found another of those small block killers...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5...charger010.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5...charger012.jpg

Ive run wicked little sbc, turned 12000rpms, LOVED IT!!!!! now Im into big inch alum sbc !!! I agree with sommers, bbc's are for towing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You big b/blk better watch out!!!,
How quickly you forget, pro-Stock trucks running on gas 358" and running 7.40's at close to 190mph. No turbo's no superchargers, just raw power, uh,oh, did i tell the truth or WHAT!!
Hey Brian, i saw the thread :P my injected 377" ran 5.16 1/8 in an 1850lb dragster at Memphis at super chevy.
That some big b/blk times. i've run blown b/blks and blown small b/blk and injected and carberatered big and small and i have to agree that you have to run the dog poop out of a s/blk to stay with a b/blk with less build up, but for what it cost i'll take a s/blk any day. Obviously i voted s/blk.

See vid below.

358"'s brodix track 1 heads 1471 littlefield 1 to 1 drive, with buzzard catcher, in a 2600 lb car without driver. 4.62 in 1/8, next time i'll tune it up and you b/blk guys better watch out. I only idle it this way for the fun of staging, goes to the line like a frog.

PS, it's going back to life as a 383" with good heads and into an 1800 lb Anglia.

o'h don't worry about the smoke its just oil on the headers.

Zip. :D

I'm behind the camera, my friend Jeff is who you see in the pics. i put the motor in his car to try it out.

You guys have shown pics, here is reality.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...24568453485455

Hey Wesley,

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(Well I got my suit on an just cranked mine and sucked up two small block you all stay back I am going to the line.)

We got a 66 nova just like yours over here at Twin Cities owned by LJ Jorden that runs 8.30's to 8.40's with a s/blk with a toilet bowl all day long.

Zip

Zip if I ever get mine running maybe one day I can run over and check you guy's out when it cools down some. I would like to meet you in person and check out the hotrod. I am hoping to run some numbers like that if they will let me go down the track.

Wes, you will get it runnig and i would love to see you over here. We have a couple bad ass cars over here including a 1949 ford pickup (OUCH!! to the chassis builders on here) with the original frame and a wooden bed it looks like the (salad dressing)Hidden Ranch delivery truck(owned by a friend that's affectionly called Ears) nick named that because one day he ran 8.10 and didn't pull the shoot. When asked how he ever got around the shutoff road he said i just stuck my head out and my ears slowed it down.(hehe he does have big ears)
No kiddin this truck was owned by my best friends dad in 1969 when Ears bought it. I have pics. when my friend and his sister was like 10 yrs. old, it was go to work truck with a 396" and he used to race it on sat. nite.
One day i'll post all the pics. and some runs in a video of the truck. It now has a 632" with a ton of nitrous and has run 7.91 at 191mph at twin cities.

Zip.

Currently I run a BBC. In an effort to cut weight and go faster I will be going to a small block next season. Love them small blocks.

yes but isn't that like saying i am going on a diet to loose weight,,so i guess i will cut off my leg?...lol....
why not keep the BBC and remove weight else where on the car ?

thanks
Brian

the question for me is "how fast do you want to go"?the next step is how much do you have to spend....i can build a 10 second small block cheaper than a big block...but then again i could be wrong,as ive never built a bbc,but this is what ive heard....?

he may want to eliminate all that needless weight(bbc :lol: )and go fast enough with a sbc...

p.s.....small blocks are winning :lol:

ok we can settle this debate fairly easy if we use the HP vs Body weight theory...( leave the unknown out of it such as hooking up etc...)

With all the on-line calculators to determine ET'S and MPH...We can narrow this down....

lets use RETAIL pricing on the parts for sake of argument...

now imgaine we have the same ( identical car) 69 camaro 10 inch tire car that weighs 3400 with driver......Keep in mind eveything is the same throughout car,,,even the driver... ( for the sake of agrument)

Our target HP goal is 900hp...( someone out there please find us one of those fancy charts to figure how fast we will run,,with 900 hp at 3400lbs)


next figure how much it will take to build a 900 hp BBC,,,,,and then how much it would take to build a 900 HP sbc........

lets keep it fair..naturally aspirated on both sides..can't be puttin blowers and turbo's on small blocks unless you allow it on the BBC.

So do some figuring on this...i can already tell you that you gonna need a minimum of an 18 degree Small block with exotic heads ( sb2 etc...)...i can already tell you that a convential head BBC will make 900hp no problems...

so lets start figuring.... SO the question is........can you build a 10 second small block cheaper than a 10 second BBC...i say no....what i mean by 10 second et's is 10.0 or teens...NOT 10.90'S...

Brian

Ok, pardon me, I misunderstood, only 10 sec cars here is it,? I thought you small block guys were SERIOUS about going fast :lol: :lol:

You small block guys can go and play with your little toy motors... and leave the real hp to the real men with the biggin's :shock: :lol: :lol:




disclaimer.... the above is posted in fun and jest and is no way representitive of how i really feel about small block motors or the guys that own and run them.... : :shock:

For now..but don't get too happy....As far as building a cheaper sb, I think hp cost the same no matter waht engine you are building

i love the disclaimer obove in the other guys post :lol:

anyway 900 hp on the street is just not going to be street no more,unless its threw turbos...so with that being said i guess i wouldnt want a 900hp small block and that puts me back to"how much horsepower do you want"now then again i know some 8-9 second turbo regal cars that are very streetable and could drive anywhere...

imo our raw horsepower age is getting to be a thing of the past,but thats another debate to come :D

i guess if i was going to build a hot rod to go foward and never have to turn id go with bbc,but with bbc all that weight wont let you make turns :lol:

Brian I show to get 670hp @ the rear wheel on 10.00 ET w/ 136 mph in a 3400# 69 Camaro.

What no one has looked at here is torque values, given a 900HP b/blk and the same 900HP s/blk in a 3400lb car the b/blk will get to the finish line first in almost every case, because getting to the other end requires torque more than HP in a heavy car.
You can get 800 ft.lbs. torque form a 900HP b/blk where as a s/blk will struggle to get 700 ft.lbs..
You would have to spend $10,000.00 min. on parts alone to build 900hp with a s/blk and i believe a b/blk can be built for about $7,500.00 in parts. So the budget minded can go faster cheaper with a b/blk. but it sure is fun to outrun a b/blk (SOMETIMES) with a s/blk. I wouldn't mine having a b/blk but the only parts i have for one is a hilborn stacks injection unit and valve covers.

Zip.

PS> I still like s/blks

Tommy, I'll let you know how it turns in a little while..so far the only thing that lets me know that it's a BB is the raw power....and the painful idle sound.

so with the good median of 20% loss of horspower thru the drive line/chassis..this is approx 840 hp at the fly wheel...

also Zipper is right on the TQ,,,this is why they pull so good etc......

ohhh yeah i will agree that i was a Die hard small block man for 37 yrs of my life...all i can say to people is get you a decent running BBC and if SPEED AND POWER is your thing...your gonna love it.....and never look back....if it happned to me...


Now guys we are talking about blower's turbo's etc....you guys realize now that Wes has a 572ci BBC with a blow thru Prochager...i am telling you now its going to be NO JOKE behind that wheel....
Wes intercool that bad boy and you gonna have GODZILLA ON STERIODS.


this has been fun.

Brian

i think thats funny about going big block and not turning back as steve keech is local to me and he built that baldwin motion big block in the car that was on summit...i see him alot now as they are filming to do a show on tv(possibly)he was all small block,as long as i knew him and was known to build some wicked small blocks too,so now i see him and every car he owns is big block allmost,he has a nomad that was allways small block,not no more,,,,..it seems he did the same thing,when you mention small block he acts like he never had one :D that one pic of the small block with twins is actually one car he built,most all the rest are big blocks...

Hey Zip I have a conventional headed big block that runs that in a 1950 pound dragster on gasoline 477 ci. I have another one in the car now that runs 4.78 at 145 in the 1/8th. THIN MAY BE IN BUT FAT IS WHERE IT'S AT.


Steve

We can't do it on gas, but, Jeffs dad died a couple yrs. age with a stomach anurisium and left him a 69 Cougar (434") and a dragster with a (434") this added to his already ugly dodge and a dragster. both cars will run 5.90's and the dragsters will run 4.90's on stacks injection and alcohol. Which is not as fast as a b/blk but still pretty good for s/blk's none of the engines has more than $10,000.00 in them and are 23* heads.

John A./aka/Zip.

Brian I am just a small man so I think I am going to take the steriods before I face Godzilla to give me courage to put him in his place. The fastest that I have ever gone is a 5.24 1/8th and I am thinking if I can get Godzilla's power to the ground I am going to go a bit faster. I dont want to sound like a wimp but I think its going to take me awhile just to get back to 5.24 but I will get there.

OK,.....Who wants to race against my inline 6 with a header and a wicked cam???????? :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: :lol: The only thing that matters when you want to argue c.i. is.... does the engine(motor?) make YOU happy?

let me tell you ...there is no whimps running anywhwere close to a 5.24 ET......as a matter of fact the line is Drawn at 6.50 et.......many people can run down to 6.50's with moderate funding and SO-SO know how with tunning Motor/chasiss.......but getting lower than 6.50 the stakes go up..the cost get higher and the tunning gets finer...

the 5.99 mark is the next toughest level to reach,you got to be on your 'A' game you gotta be coming out of the gate hard and your stuff better be putting out 98 to 100% of what it can do....

down to 5.50's and you have to be able to work on your own stuff and know how and why it works and you must stay on top of it..or have a great Pit man..also the cost is not for the average guy..

5.50's to 5.0's...you have spent a LOT OF MONEY,,YOUR STUFF IS TOP OF THE LINE AND YOU ARE ON TOP OF YOUR GAME DRIVING AND EQUIPMENT.

4.90's and below is another world..LARGE Money invloved..a-lot of luck combined with a lot of the above..and HUGE CO-CO NUTS...

Thats my take on it..

anyone else ?

Brian

This is really the best feedback I've seen on this poll. There is a ton of info here, not just guys tossin around what they like. I just can't see the small blocks winning.

that about sums it up nothing left to say...but....small blocks rule!!! :lol: ok sorry,forgot my meds :D

Brian (you have spent a LOT OF MONEY ) have you ever been told that during any of your builds. Well I have and with due cause. Most of you guy's know my story with my engine and Brett Bowers from back in Oct of last year. I had told my wife that there was a engine in RJ that I wanted to get. She said how much is it I said $12500.00 in the ad she said get it well after two months he said that it would be $17800.00 and he said he wanted to change some thing. She said do you need that and of course I said I did. Well after seven months he calls me an tells me it will cost $19200.00 and I said send my money back. So she tells me you are not going out of this state to get a motor built that were I am putting my foot down. So I end up at RMRE and guess what I get it ahead of the time they said but now I have spent $24000.00 on a blower motor that does not have the blower on it. So to just finish this up I went out to buy a motor off of RJ last Oct for $12500.00 and I have now spent $36600.00 getting the engine ready to run. $5200.00 on trans. $1400.00 on converter. $6000.00 on two rear ends. Torn the inside of the car out that I just got redone. And I can see another $5000.00 before I get it to the dyno. All I say now is how much when they call me and start with WELL WE JUST FOUND. So if anyone needs to confirm what Brian said (you have spent a LOT OF MONEY ) then just ask my wife. Mama has just been hanging on saying you have spent a lot of money.

Well Zip my 477 I have had since '98 and was the first stuff I bought from Reher-Morrison and my first dealings with Wes out there and I have less than 5500 in it. The motor that is in the dragster now that runs 4.70's I have over 10,000 in it. All the parts for in came from RM also.


Steve

No Doubt Wes !

Brian

looks like ill never be at your level as i just dont have the money to make that kind of power,not that i would use it....i like to drive my rides to the track and back....if i had that kind of money to put in a ride, i would do a twin turbo small block,with ac....street tune it around 800-900,which is way more than needed for me at the track or next to a hyabussa...

i have a friend local to me that spent 25k on a big block motor and he is on this site too,problem is he did that before buying a house :shock: that to me is a addiction...he now owns one,but it was 2 years after the build...i do love watching those mean cars i see in your sigs going down the track :D

Tommy the best thing for any of us to do is take care of our house hold an wife an kids first. Then build the car of our dreams with in our own budgets. My brother and I have tried to stay with the boys with money and it cant be done someone always has more. We on Racing Junk are all at diffrent levels of budgets but I think all have the same goal in mind to have the best and most out of our hobby's. cepx111 has the best quote that we can all appreciate " Racing is a disease for which the only cure is poverty " I think that may be a little extreme but there is a lot of true to that.

I SECOND WESLEY---FAMILY FIRST---CAR SECOND!!! 8) 8) ---IT WON'T WORK OTHERWISE :shock: THE CAR IS THE HOBBY NOT THE FAMILY :) :) ---LIVELY

Well not being a racer I can testify that just vehicles can cost a man alot...I have a nice collection as some know and I have sunken the money from the farm in them but I have what I didn't have when I was younger and we all work for that I think....But your right, FAMILY FIRST and toys after.....I am still waiting to break the tie in voting but it seems it will never end as some how the "Little Ones" keep coming up with mysterious votes...

I KNEW it!!! You're scart of my 6 cyl!!! :roll: :lol: :lol:

I'll agree with the Wife an' Kids coming first! Got four daughters who think Dad is nuts, liking cars an' all. And a very understanding Wife who thinks it's safer to let me play with my car than to invite me to her side of the family get-to-gethers! :wink: God Bless `em All!

Yep faimly first..I'm just glad the wife never complaines when i buy a part.
It is funny that no matter what level you have to spend you meet someone that has more....I just want to learn what the guy ahead of me knows...just so I can reagh that level and feel small again.

Find the small block guys that keep voting and post up some u tube videos for them to watch instead of voting.